Have the story range over a span of years. The twins were also to serve as an insurance policy for the Patriots, should Big Boss ab… chazo136 wrote:he originally planned to kill Snake and Otacon in MGS4 but his development team were against it. Also, if they were to be executed, so would many other characters, like Raiden, who had killed so many people himself. All of them except of Snake get annihilated basically, by a superior PMC. Otacon: OK, Snake, let's start with the basics. 543569767. We missed his transformation from the Snake we knew and loved to the Snake who was on his death bed. The pet store piques their interests and nostalgia. I tried playing MGS 4 and some of the moments made me cringe.... especially ones involving Naomi and her hypocrisy. Some say MGS4 isnt cannon and back then i defended it. She cares greatly about Otacon and Snake, and if they were executed, she'd want to get back at those who took them away from her. Snake and Otacon casually browse local shops as they wait on an informant. Would you have liked to see MGS4's original ending or you like it the way it is in the game? MGS4 V1: PART 1 : OLD SNAKE. Old Snake isn't a captivating, Unforgiven/one last ride type of story, as much as it is straight bonkers. The haters are just more vocal, that's all. He was the guard assigned to watch the DARPA Chief and Meryl Silverburgh's cells, during Solid Snake's first infiltration of the facility. If anyone can answer this question about Snake's further life after MGS4 please say it Because i really don't know it and need to know it . MGS-MGS4". Twice. Follow 2970. Helikaon. But now there is so much that can be done better to enrich the story, or at least end the series with understandable dialogue and less coughing. I'll also say MGS2 Snake was fascinating, MGS4 Snake not so much. Directed by Hideo Kojima. The game ruins Ocelot/Liquid for me. Since I Like This Sceen So Much I Thought Why Not Bring Some Nostalgia With Metal Gear (MSX2)? Helikaon. In the original pitch of Metal Gear Solid 4, Old Snake and Otacon were gonna get executed at the end of the game. 12 years ago. Thereby explaining why the song "Here's To You" was implemented in MGS4. 1. Some of these controls are new. Listen carefully to my instructions, and then give it a try. 3,292. By 1926, the case had drawn worldwide attention." 3,292. I'm sure Kojima said that. MGSF Patriot. For Metal Gear Solid HD Collection on the PlayStation 3, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Best credits song? I dunno. 11K. I know that GAF shit's on the story, and nanomachines and Liquid's arm. While Solid Snake is the main character of most of the Metal Gear Solid series, Otacon is always by his side to help him out. Metal Gear Solid 4's original planned ending by Hideo Kojima was to have Snake and Otacon both stand trial for "breaking the law", convicted and executed but his team protested that idea and so he had to scrap that ending and made another one. pre-MGS4; Summary. When the nations of the world rely upon private military companies to fight their battles for them, renegade Liquid Ocelot emerges as the head of a potent coalition of mercenary powers. This was avoided after negative feedback from the development team. It won GAF's 2008 GOTY. "But all of my staff went against the idea, so I decided not to go with that." Edo. It's been quite sometime since i beat MGS4 like 7 years ago, and i just found out that the ending kojima wanted was to have snake and octacon turn themselves in,, was it true? Snake's experience across the series made the creation of new enemies challenging and encouraged staff to create groups of non-human enemies to rival Snake. In 2014, the world is in chaos, the \"war economy\" plunging the world into never-ending battle. Snake's experience across the series made the creation of new enemies challenging and encouraged staff to create groups of non-human enemies to rival Snake. It could have been better if he was reduced to a dead, dried up, old, weak, … I can't remember it at all" - Page 2. (forgive me if this isn't true i was kinda shocked because the ending music fits very well to what was said) Edit: Do you prefer kojima's ending or the game's ending? Metal Gear Solid 4 could have have been better if Solid Snake had snuffed out. For Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes on the PlayStation 4, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "MGS4 spoilers: When was "Here's to you" used in MGS4? MGS4 currently holds an official Guinness World Record for longest ... Snake's Codec call to Otacon while hiding in a trash can/dumpster. The wedding stuff is cringy. Upon seeing Mery… yeah we heard you the first time. Language: English Words: 657 Chapters: 1/1 Comments: 4 Kudos: 20 Hits: 101; Stop Me If You've Heard This One Before by Not_You Fandoms: Metal Gear Not Rated; Underage; F/M, M/M, Multi; Work in Progress; 25 Nov 2020. >"One of my ideas [for MGS4's ending] was that, since Snake and Otacon are breaking the law in order to fulfill their justice, I was thinking of having them turn themselves in, and for the sake of justice, they'd get convicted and executed by the law," he explained. "On August 23, 1977—the 50th anniversary of the executions—Massachusetts Governor Michael Dukakis issued a proclamation that Sacco and Vanzetti had been unfairly tried and convicted and that "any disgrace should be forever removed from their names". Kojima's initial ending for the MGS4 would entail Snake and Otacon turning themselves in for breaking the law, and subsequently convicted and executed. Solid Snake returns to save the world once again. When Snake met Otacon at their hideout he was given the disk that contained the data of the Wisemen's Committee to look over, which included their names and whereabouts. Kojima didn't have control over MGS4 and was forced by the fans to make it. Wasn't the original idea that Snake and Otacon would be sentenced to death? 543569767. >> Anonymous 02/08/21(Mon)14:37:58 No. It'd be very strange for Snake and Otacon to be getting executed when the military is lifting them around left and right. I never knew hate for MGS4 was a thing until GAF. The post credit cutscene/codec call between Solid Snake and Otacon about the Patriots at the end of MGS2. Kojima's initial ending for the MGS4 would entail Snake and Otacon turning themselves in for breaking the law, and subsequently convicted and executed. Anonymous 02/08/21(Mon)14:37:58 No. can't believe i missed this. It's best if you practice now before you get in the thick of things. I'll provide instructions via Codec. MGS4 codec call: Snake unhappy with the double-crossing Otacon Kojima's original vision for the end of MGS4 in his own words, "One of my ideas [for MGS4's ending] was that, since Snake and Otacon are breaking the law in order to fulfill their justice, I was thinking of having them turn themselves in, and for the sake of justice, they'd get convicted and executed by the law," he explained. I don't think Kojima ever planned to finish the story threads he started in MGS2, and where they go isn't satisfying. 11K. MGS4's Original Ending: I actually DO like the scenes we got at the end, the wedding, Raiden's reunion, and Snake's "suicide." Post Nov 17, 2011 #9 2011-11-17T19:54. But I wanted Snake to die. I also feel that Sunny would have wanted revenge on those who killed her adopted uncles. I like 'em as scenes. After this (the ending note) Otacon told Snake about the information on the disc: the twelve Wisemen had been dead for about 100 years. Forum Posts. Main article: Shadow Moses Incident During the Shadow Moses Incident, Johnny was one of the Genome Soldiers that took part in Liquid Snake's revolt. It would of been a good and tragic end to the character. I really think they missed a big opportunity with having Snake already suffering from advanced aging. Old Snake in a transport truck, a group of rebels. "But all of my staff went against the idea, so I decided not to go with that." 5 Solid Snake Could've Died In MGS4. The ending is terrible now that MGS V exists. With David Hayter, Josh Keaton, Peter Lurie, Paul Eiding. Tengu Commando. In MGS4, players assume the role of Solid Snake, utilizing stealth, ... one of Kojima's endings for the game would have had Snake and Otacon turn themselves in for breaking the law, and subsequently they would be convicted and executed, but this idea was vetoed by his team. Post Oct 01, 2009 #23 2009-10-01T23:30. It would have been far more effective if we personally witnessed his rapid aging as the story went on. Otacon flies in on an army chopper with Roy at the bloody start! Tags. This was avoided after negative feedback from the development team. im_mr_brown. This ending is a giant love or hate thing for many fans. Edo. If he did the B&B unit would be naked, and Solid snake and otacon would've been executed at the end because they erased the whole thing including power grids, water treatment, air purification. However, the staff of Konami was so insistent that he didn't die that Kojima instead created a new ending. In 1970, Solid Snake was foreseen in a prophetic vision by Elisa and Ursula as the son of Big Boss that would \"save the world.\"In 1972, David and his twin brother Eli were born as a result of the secret government project \"Les Enfants Terribles,\" designed to create the perfect soldier, using the genes of the \"Greatest Warrior of the 20th Century\" Big Boss. Liquid Ocelot, a fusion of the consciousness of Liquid Snake and the body of Revolver Ocelot, is once again set o… But look at that opening for example. This fuels the need for private military companies, the five largest of which (together rivaling the power of the entire United States Army) are owned by a single mother company, Outer Heaven, with Liquid Ocelot at the helm. I've also set your Codec so that you can receive messages in listen-only mode.