* 223 Remington* 22-250* 22 WMR (Pkg. Since the .218 Bee is larger than the Hornet, you could simply rechamber the existing barrel. The .22 Hornet and .218 Bee are the smallest of the .22 Centerfire varmint cartridges. The 218 Bee is a great old rifle and is one of my all time treasures. The Model 43 would be manufactured from around 1949 till 1957. Conversion 22 Hornet to 218 Bee? 219 Zipper. However, the enlarged case head would give you all kinds of problems, since the extractor would have too be modified and the bolt face as well. I have dies for both, but no barrels yet because my 223 loaded to 2k fps does so well. - posted in Guns, Loads, Optics and Gear for Varmint Hunting: I have been given the Ok from my Commander in Chief (wife) to order a custom shop barrel for my encore and at first considered a 17 Rem barrel, but now I find my self leaning towards the 218 or 221. The .218 Bee gave superior power to the original Hornet, was chambered in the model 65 lever action rifle however, less than 6000 models were made. It is based on a necked-down and blown out .25-20 case with a 15 degree shoulder. Because of the extra power of these cartridges head shots will generally be necessary on any game intended for the table. The .218 Bee was named for its bore diameter, it actually uses standard .224" bullets. All the chamberings use small pistol magnum primers. The 25-20 and the 32-20 are very rare and desirable. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .17 WSM Winchester Super Magnum vs .22 Hornet ammo rounds. Has anyone used these rounds in a short barrel? The reason I ask, is that I have an over/under survival rifle/shotgun in .22RF/.410, and I would like to rechamber the .22 barrel to .22 Hornet. The CZ 22 Hornet comes with a Single Set Trigger, that is just great, we have never had any type of problems with any of our CZ Rifles. This came up in discussion on the weekend. they are all great historical cartridges, and if that is our intent then the 218 bee, as a improved version would be my choice. Even earlier, the .22 Hornet had become available in the super-accurate Model 54 bolt gun, and in 1937 the Hornet and the new .220 Swift were offered in an equally new rifle called the Model 70. i have had in low wall Win, 2r lovell, 22 hornet and 221fb in high wall, 22-3000, (basicly 2rlovell) 219 mash zipper, and 225 win The idea of a rimmed case is better is not alway true, i had no problem with the 221fb. The SAAMI maximum average pressure for the .218 Bee is 40,000 cup. Sierra Hornet Rifle Bullets, in a .22 caliber 0.223-inch 45 grain, are formed with a thin-walled jacket and soft core using a traditional round nose shape for various cartridges, including the .22 K-Hornet, .22 Hornet, and .218 Bee, with muzzle velocities that range between 2,600 and 2,900 feet per… OUT OF STOCK (1) Ruger 22HOR GRLAM Stainless Steel HB 7204. The .22 Hornet traces its lineage back to the .22 WCF. The Model 53 was not the only revolver chambered in a necked down, bottlenecked cartridge, with the short-lived Taurus Raging Bee, chambered in .218 Bee, as another example. Yes, the .223 Remington is clearly a more powerful cartridge than the .22 Hornet. It brings the 22 Hornet into the same class as the 218 Bee with the added advantage that the 22 hornet was chambered in several good bolt action rifles. Any experience with either one would be very must appreciated. As a rifle caliber its simply a also ran. Another great round in the model 43. The .22 Hornet was designed back in the 1920's and was based off the .22 WCF and makes for a good small varmint round if you can find a gun to shoot it. If after you've shot them one is much better - then you can decide. (I already have multiples of both) Besides this, it wont do anything, performance wise, my 222 Contender or multiple 223 rifles or 22/250 Remington cannot. -Anonymous. G.L. 222 Remington* 222 Rem Mag. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .22 Hornet vs .22 LR Long Rifle ammo rounds. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 5 of 5 Posts. You will never be able to easily replace either rifle. From left to right, virgin 22 Hornet case, 6mm Hornet with shoulder positioned for my reamer and the last is a standard 22 K-Hornet fireformed case. Essentially, it relegates the round to mid-range varminting, a realm also occupied by the .17 WSM, .22 Hornet, 5.7x28 mm FN and .218 Bee. It is suitable for the same range of varmints and small game as the 218 Bee. Wotkyns both of whom were working with Springfield Armory during the Roaring Twenties helped finalize the centerfire cartridge's design and chambered it in converted M1922 Springfield rifles, but it was Winchester that first legitimized the cartridge for the commercial market in 1930. OUT OF STOCK (0) Ruger 7722 Varmint 22 Hornet, Target Grey, Brown Laminate K772. Its a simply a new 22 Hornet or New 218 Bee. Another option is the 221 fireball, and a rimmed version can be made from 360 DW brass. Being from the early part of the 1900s this round was used widely on the farms and ranches at a time when most Americans actually worked on the farms. The rifle used in this test is a Ruger M77/22hornet which I rebarreled with a Lilja #4, fluted 1-10 twist barrel with 24" finish length. Following the Hornet, Winchester introduced the .218 Bee in 1938. I have a Ruger 218 Bee, Winchester 43 218 Bee, Cooper 218 Mashburn Bee, CZ 22 Hornet and a Winchester Model 70 22 Hornet, I vote that you keep both the Bee and Hornet. While labor intensive, 221 brass can be formed from 223 and there is no shortage of .223 brass. But it does not compare to the CZ 22 Hornet in any way, IMHO. If it were me, I would go either regular Hornet or 218 Bee. 221 Fireball. of 2) 22 Mag (WMR) in: "Everyone is entitled to their … Something that DOES interest me.. However, the body of evidence also indicates that both cartridges are very effective on predators, small game, and varmints. Was able to shoot the model 43 in the 22 Hornet and 218 bee. Great little rifles and fun to shoot. My reloading manual tells me that all the centerfire .22's from the 218 Bee up to the .220 Swift use a .224 bullet, but it of course does not mention .22 rim. Because of the increase in value of my old 218 Bee I have all but retired it now. and if so what twist would be recomended. Standard 22 hornet vs 22 k-hornet? Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to … Seems like a reasonable candidate, and while brass isn't that easy to find it's more common than the 218 bee. But like most rifles in 22 Hornet, the barrels of those in 218 Bee have a rifling twist of 1:16 inches, which is not quick enough to stabilize many of the bullets listed for this cartridge in various reloading manuals. A buddy was talking about wanting to convert his Ruger #3 from 22 Hornet to 218 Bee. The .22 Jet today The cartridge was originally chambered in the Winchester Model 65 lever-action rifles, which may have ultimately led to its lack of popularity. It is a neat little rimmed cartridge with an overall case length of 1.345". The Bee was for a time chambered by other … These would include the .22 Hornet, .218 Bee, .25-20, .30 carbine, and .32-20. Can the Ruger 77 in .22 Hornet be rechambered to .22 K-Hornet? At that time most of the magazine writer's said if you had a .22 Hornet it would shoot better and go faster if you made it into a .22 K- Hornet. Hi All: Lately I have been thinking about getting a .22 Hornet. 22 Hornet (TC) 218 Bee. Similar to the 10mm vs .45 ACP debate, the .223 Remington has more energy remaining at 200 yards than many .22 Hornet loads have at the muzzle. The last time I had one was back in 1970. You could also purchase the Model 43 in the 218 bee cartridge. Winchester 22 Hornet 1885 Low Wall Rifle w/24" Octagon Barre. The .22 Hornet or 5.6×35mmR is a varminting, small-game hunting, survival and competition centerfire rifle cartridge commercially introduced in 1930. OUT OF STOCK (3) Ruger 22HOR Walnut 7201. 218 Bee Or 221 Fireball? I love the .22-250 Remington, and have spent time with the .222 and .223 Remington, as well as the .218 Bee, but there is definitely something special about the .22 Hornet, and I hope that 90 years from now shooters are still smiling over the little cartridge. 22 Long Rifle in: 22 Jet. Haven't seen the 22 hornet mentioned. Col. Townsend Whelen and Capt. Reply. Doable? The .218 Bee is a .22 caliber centerfire rifle cartridge designed for varmint hunting by Winchester in 1937. The .22 Jet never really caught on, and production of the Model 53 ceased in 1974. Save Share. Now as a 1911 pistol caliber that does almost 2K THATS KOOL! Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to … In addition, the Bee cartridges would not feed through the Hornet magazine, so you'd end up with a single shot. Post by ByronG » Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:34 am. Wonder is the beginning of wisdom.